Be not afeard; the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices
That, if I then had waked after long sleep,
Will make me sleep again: and then, in dreaming,
The clouds methought would open and show riches
Ready to drop upon me that, when I waked,
I cried to dream again.
The Tempest. Act iii. Sc. 2
Keep in mind this show is all about Creation and Creation Myths...
- We have "Adam and Eve" (the two bodies found in the caves)
- We have the 40 Days of Season 1 / Noah's Ark parallel
- We have the John Locke philosophies about Man vs. Nature and the forming
of society and rules.
- We have the abovementioned Aboriginal creation theories
- We have the Cloning Theories (and the fact that there are no hair brushes
-- the first place you go for a genetic sample)
- Watership Down parallel of forming a new society
And many others I am sure, that I cannot think of because I am hungry...
So... I'm gonna go get a sandwhich and then get back to thinking about
this.
Yet, none of this answers the who or the why unless it is simple like
"Nobody" and "For No Reason"
Cheers!
purrkins
First of all, FABULOUS THREAD. Really, really enjoyed reading (savored) it. Lots to think about.
Purkins, you nicely summed up some good points emphasizing the creation
myths.
While reading this, I was remembering Locke's face when he first encountered
the "monster." He looked AWESTRUCK, like he was recognizing
a "god."
- Is Claire's baby a sacrifice - to the gods???
- Is eating boar OK to eat, or is it like "kangaroo-rat"?
and thanks for the flic idea, just ordered it on netflix, can't wait to watch it over the weekend.
sawyerhasbestlines
and then listen to Kate Bush's The Dreaming -- which captures the clash of the "civilized" with the Aborigines...
a line from it
Many an Aborigine's mistaken for a tree
'Til you near him on the motorway
And the tree begin to breathe.
It's a cool, weird song -- and fits right in with this thread
trinabobina
The Last wave wasw a beautiful film, and it has some relevance to LOST, as Chamberlain's character, the lawyer from another continent altogether (South African I think, but he sounded American) has always had prophetic dreams, and ends up being connected to a kind of Armeggedon for, we are never sure what: the World, Australia, or the Aboriginal culture. Spooky, too to bring it up in light of the Tsunami, since that dream is what keeps haunting the protagonist, who "goes native" at the end, like Locke.
BTW I found the old Aboriginal post--buried in a Purgatory thread of all
things (!!!!?)
One CQC7 said
Quote:
Actually Jacob, I have it on good authority that the show is really based
on the Aboriginal culture.
In said culture, for a person to come of age they must isolate themselves
(preferrably in the wilderness) and travel until they find their spirit
guide. When they do so, their guide will reveal some great personal insight
and thus help them mature spiritually. As you can see many of the islanders
have already undergone some profound spiritual/personal experience which
could all be part of their individual quests.
I'm not so sure what this purgatory thing you speak of is, and what "Heaven"
and "Hell" are, but I don't think they can stand up against
a far better accepted notion of the Aboriginal spirit quest. The way I
see it, the Great Spirit is the main star of this show and the islanders
are simply trying to come to terms with it.
I think Claire's baby is going to be her own personal spirit quest that
she will interestingly bring into the world. Therefore its fitting that
only she has the ultimate power to decide if it will be good or malevolent.
drabauer
Okay -- now I did a little digging...lookie what I found...
The Australian aboriginal shamans - "clever men" or "men of high degree" -- described "celestial ascents" to meet with the "sky gods" such as Baiame, Biral, Goin and Bundjil. Many of the accounts of ritualistic initiation bare striking parallels to modern day UFO contactee and abduction lore. The aboriginal shamanic "experience of death and rising again" in the initiation of tribal "men of high degree" finds some fascinating parallels with modern day UFO abduction lore. The "chosen one" (either voluntarily or spontaneously) is set upon by "spirits", ritualistically "killed", and then experiences a wondrous journey (generally an aerial ascent to a strange realm) to met the "sky god." He is restored to life - a new life as the tribal shaman.
Ritual death and resurrection, abduction by powerful beings,
ritual removal or rearrangement of body parts, symbolic disembowelment,
implanting of artifacts, aerial ascents and journeys into strange
realms, alien tutelage and enlightenment, personal empowerment,
and transformation - these and many other phenomena are recurring
elements of the extraordinary shamanic tradition.
I don't know how to put an image in here -- would someone enlighten me?
Because you HAVE to check out the diagram of the Aborigine creation myth
HERE -- scroll
almost halfway down and WOW! What does it remind you of????
trinabobina
Sayid's Pyramid
purrkins
I may be steppign out on a limb here, but couldn't jack represent
the 1 world (human), Locke represent the 2 world(Land) , and walt the
3rd(spirtual) .
Gambit980
J black rock could be the nexus between the three and when you are there maybe you can choose between them. that would certainly be strange.
found this on google:
"The supernatural Beings, or Totemic Ancestors, resembled creatures
or plants, and were half human. They moved across the barren surface of
the world. They travelled hunted and fought, and changed the form of the
land. In their journeys, they created the landscape, the mountains, the
rivers, the trees, waterholes, plains and sandhills. They made the people
themselves, who are descendants of the Dreamtime ancestors. They made
the Ant, Grasshopper, Emu, Eagle, Crow, Parrot, Wallaby, Kangaroo, Lizard,
Snake, and all food plants. They made the natural elements : Water, Air,
Fire. They made all the celestial bodies : the Sun, the Moon and the Stars.
Then, wearied from all their activity, the mythical creatures sank back
into the earth and returned to their state of sleep.
Sometimes their spirits turned into rocks or trees or a part of the landscape.
These became sacred places, to be seen only by initiated men. These sites
had special qualities."
i find that last part very interesting. Locke seems like an initiated man at this point, don't you think?
Colonel Beauregarde