Be not afeard; the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices
That, if I then had waked after long sleep,
Will make me sleep again: and then, in dreaming,
The clouds methought would open and show riches
Ready to drop upon me that, when I waked,
I cried to dream again.
The Tempest. Act iii. Sc. 2
I really love this theory and I am a bit disappointed since I popped in here expecting to see some comments on the sequence in "Homecoming" where Boone falls asleep on sentry duty and "wakes up", at first I thought in another location, certainly in the daylight, while the alarms are going off and they find someone dead.
Any thoughts on how this scene fits in with dreamtime theories? I'm counting
on you...
athywithak
athyk,
Welcome,
I've seen some mentions of the Boone sleeping that should have been put
here but were scattered about in other threads.
Here's my 2 cents:
My perspective is totally altered after seeing the Last Wave, so I'll
give you an answer with that in mind. In Last Wave, when things got dark
and there were peculiar sounds, it was a clue to when "dreamtime"
was happening. In Lost, we don't know if that's the case, but it seems
to be leaning that way. I'd need to watch all the shows again back to
back, with that in mind to say it with more confidence. Right now, I'm
relying on my memory... (oh gosh MEMORY).
Another way to look at, this is a little difficult with our western perception
of time, but hang in there: Hallucinations are just as real or VALID,
as reality. The reason is, in dreamtime certain strong individuals have
the ability to communicate to someone in their dreams. Yes, it's a dream,
and no the person is not really there, but it's kind of like an e-mail
without the technology. Perhaps during dreams, people are on a wavelength
that is more receptive to accept the messages people send out.
So think of Claire's dream of Locke and the tarot cards. Claire is having
a dream. It is not really Locke the way we think of as real. But he functions
like the psychic did to give her a message, or a warning. He also gave
her a choice (thanks drabauer) signified by the black and white eyes,
while turning over the tarot cards.
So if this makes any sense, I ask you, how does this way of thinking apply
to Boone fallling asleep? Locke, was relying on Boone, I think not to
be a sentry, but to fall asleep.
- Sawyerhasbestlines/Clone11
sawyerhasbestlines
Thanks, Mr. Sawyerhasbestlines
I should mention that I DID watch the Last Wave, but only had time to
watch it once. Sigh. Memory...
So what you're saying here, "counting on him to fall asleep,"
I can agree to that - you are brilliant! - but why counting on him to
fall asleep??
send a message?
receive a message?
What message?
I have seen some of the comments on other boards about this episode and
other things related to this thread...so I am gonna go all out and say
THIS ALL HAS TO DO WITH VINCENT, doesn't it???!!!
athywithak
Quote:
"A walkabout is when Aboriginals undertake a spiritual journey to
a belonging place to renew their relationship with their Dreaming and
the Landscape. Clan members regularly move camp and go on cultural journeys
for taking care and for corroborees, initiations, and other cyclical,
ritualized ceremonies of the Dreamtime. An individual can also go on walkabout.
When an individual goes on a walkabout, it is different for different
people. It can be a walk to where they originated; or it can be
a walk to where they are part of the land and the land is part of them,
a place of sacred belongingness"
I believe that Locke is a part of the land and the land is a part of him. Locke is definitely in-tune with the island. Locke is helping to guide the others to a spiritual awakening.
jimmyfp
Since he has been looking forward to going on a walkabout for quite some time I think he is guiding everone else on thier walks.
Gambit980
Quote:
being lost is the first step towards being found.
Excellent quote. Excellent thread. In my heart of hearts I wish the writers were working on this higher-order thinking plane. It is the stuff of indie films and literary novels, not mainstream mass media. I wish it weren't so.
At any rate. This theory does work on so many levels. It's a great intellectual
exercise just to read through all these postings.
I've got nothing new to add -- just a little pat on the back of the posters
in this thread.
I'm telling you, you've GOT to listen to Kate Bush's The Dreaming.
trinabobina
Quote:
I'm telling you, you've GOT to listen to Kate Bush's The Dreaming.
That's a classic recording, and very apropo to this discussion! Watching tonight's AMAZING episode--talk about personal journeys!
I haven't seen a film this rich for years!
drabauer
locke is like a catalyst for each of the survivors journeys within. but
he also knows what is evil on the island, but i think he feels no one
is ready for what he could reveal. the most profound thing happened to
him, after all. he could walk after being paralyzed. he is living his
dream and does not want it to end nor does he want to leave. that would
end his dream. he is a leader on this island. he faces the eye of the
island and he knows walt is the center of it all. and walt's watch dog
is vincent....another center. locke is preparing the survivors for real
survival. having them lose their inhibitions and hang-ups, to be ready
to do battle with something bigger than all of them....their demons incarnate.
hppydppy1
- read Kathy 2's recent transcription of the Sayid and Sawyer whispers in discussion. It may relate to communicating in dreamtime.
I'd post link but still figuring out how
sawyerhasbestlines
Shbl--a quick query--were there any numerical sequences in the Last Wave? I can't recall if number series figure in any aboriginal prophecies.
drabauer
Drabauer,
That's a very good question. I don't have the movie anymore, but I'll
look into it. If I find any info, will put it here.
Glad you are back, you've been quiet lately.
P.S. sorry this is off topic, trying to locate a couple of your posts:
sound theory stuff, echoes - may have a couple connections.
sawyerhasbestlines
Yes, I've been out of town sawyerhtbl, and I'm trying to
catch up with your enthusiastic drum-beating for the Chaos and number-crunching
threads. My brain isn't quite up to any new theories right now, but I
did put together a kind of master-index in alphabetical order to help
locate topics:
Meta-Theory index
Here's the old Sonic
Bloom post
The mods have been moving posts hither and thither, but Xander's going
to give me the reins to T & S so that I can track all the threads;
I hope then they'll be no more links going no where, and that I can group
them more easily. Still, I wonder if anyone out there has thought to log
the most important ideas? It's really frustrating to wade through so much
repetition (I'm very glad that brassmunk started a new thread for some
serious mathematical speculation, and that you started a chaos thread--it
was about time we had one!).
BTW, I have written a couple of papers on chaos and music, but I don't
get into the math much, just the ideas. I do think they are apropo, so
I'll add to that thread if I can think of anything new to contribute.
Thanks for all the energy and direction you've shown here lately!
drabauer