Full fathom five thy father lies;
  Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
  Nothing of him that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
The Tempest. Act i. Sc. 2

Science:

Time and its Vicissitudes

Involuntary Time Travel,

Rebuke of Dictatorial Threadlocking


They crashed on a post-Pangeanic beach, at the tail end of the Late Cretaceous Period. Almost no dinosaurs left.

Is is the evolutionary rise of mammals (some maladapted, like "white" bears in the jungle) . . .

Jet traveled through the time-junction BEFORE it hit turbulence. Violent turbulence a result of sudden climactic shift from present to prehistoric air density.

Reinforced by French party's sixteen-year broadcast -- no one came to the rescue because there were no other HUMAN BEINGS ON THE PLANET to hear it.

Exciting potential . . .

I hope another party is contacted, one even more anachronistic than the French. It would be awe-inspiring to build an episode around the possibility of rescue -- after someone spots a ship far on the horizon. Only to have the ship resolve, as it gets closer, into a 16th century Spanish Warship.

Imagine the gravity of that.

-Wes

P.S., locking this thread is foolhardy. I will return with a different name, a different I.P., and re-post. What you are doing does not promote community discussion. It is, in fact, indistinguishable from dictatorism.

Imagine if the phone book, a commercial message board, operated on the same basis. The customer seeking pizza would find several pages labeled "Pizza," but nearly every ad would have its contact information redacted -- in its place, a "This ad is locked, see the following pizza distributor" missive. You have eliminated diversity until there is only one pizza company, recursively referenced in every former pizza ad. Auto-monopolized. Carry that attitude to its ultimate implementation, and the phone book is pared down to a volume of maybe five pages -- raped by the deductive annihilation of choice.

Or apply this scheme to the broader scope of history. Why permit Eratosthenes to live, when Kepler will make the same discoveries half a millenium later? Why the same for Shakespeare, when many of his works bear resemblance to Francis Bacon's?

Multiplication is sufficiently similar to division, and division sufficiently similar to subtraction -- why not eliminate them and permit only addition to persist?

I'm a normal-looking northern European. Why not slaughter everyone that looks even vaguely like me?

Your intellectually stifling destruction of diversity is an agenda intended strictly to oppress. Until it is vanquished, this message board will never be a place of true community pervaded by the fostering of diverse, dialogical wisdom.

Instead, it will remain a dead apocalypse of promising first-steps.

Wes Cohn

Re: Involuntary Time Travel

well, at least you're not blowing things out of proportion.

good on you, mate.

jekelish

Re: Involuntary Time Travel

and i thought pin made my head hurt

gscaleta

Re: Involuntary Time Travel

Welcome to the board. I should tell you, however, your warning does not make people want to read your theory. You treat your theory like a threat, and that's no way to win friends and influence people. The locking of your original thread was not meant as a punishment or an anti-newbie measure, but simply is an attempt to consolidate and save bandwidth. If you had any idea how much money this board costs to run, perhaps you would be more understanding.

That said, it does seem like an interesting theory, although I am not a fan of time-travel theories myself.

jekelish

Re: Involuntary Time Travel

one more thing--you compare the locking of threads to a phonebook...where a pizza ad would be blocked? i disagree with that assessment, and here is why:

what the mods are trying to do is get all of the posts on specific theories into ONE place for each theory and each spin on it...much the way a phonebook will have every pizza joint in one section of the book, as opposed to scattered throughout. that saves on time and effort for others who are scrambling to find it. if you have purgatory theories...post them with other purgatory theories. it's a matter of organization and saving bandwidth, not a matter of fascism.

cinderellabop

Re: Involuntary Time Travel

I agree with this post, I dont understand why any post would be locked or deleted. Isnt any theory techinically possible? No matter how far fetched? No one has been able to explain most of the things that happen on the island anyway, and if they have its mostly a guess (as no one here is privy to the scripts or writers minds)

I for one love to see the different theories, and the time travel one to me (as a sci-fi fan) is very exciting as far fetched as it may be.

I would like to hear more from this poster...I enjoyed the theory. I would also say to be less defensive, but obviously he has been burned before and is trying to not waste his time typing something only to see it go away quickly.

MATTM911

Re: Involuntary Time Travel

Well said Wes. I agree with you, I have been reading this board for a while and these high and mighty frequent posters need to lighten up and realize its just a TV show. I didn't even know locking posts was a possibility but it seems a little stupid to do it at all. Whats the point?

stardust wishes

Re: Involuntary Time Travel

Matt--no NEW theory gets locked or deleted, at least not to my knowledge. only REPETITIVE theories...as in, one person posts about purgatory, and then another posts about purgatory in a different thread. all the moderators are trying to do is get every take on a particular theory in the same place...just trying to keep the place organized. as far as i can tell, NEW theories are welcomed...the mods just want all like theories in the same place to conserve bandwidth.

oh, and for the record, i also enjoyed wes' theory

jekelish

Re: Involuntary Time Travel

I think it helps too if you are an ez supporter. Then your posts don't cost much. But I agree a little with both (no jokes please). I like to see new theories and new twists on old ones. Especially purgatory theories.

gscaleta

Re: Involuntary Time Travel

Got ya..thanks for the explination...

MATTM911

Re: Involuntary Time Travel

Jek is right. If every person who had a theory came in and posted a new thread for that theory without looking around to see if there was another thread on that topic, the board would be ridiculously long and cluttered. You can't generate a conversation when there are 6 other threads all talking about the same subject. If you have a theory and want to know if it's a "new" theory, check the theories index above. Using the dreaded Purgatory example, there have been 18 different threads on the topic! Don't you agree it makes more sense to keep all 18 threads collected into one thread, rather than scattered all across the board? The locking of duplicate threads is not meant as a personal attack, please try not to take it as one.

cinderellabop

Re: Involuntary Time Travel

Thank you, contributors.

I penned the rebuke because this topic *has been locked already* -- see the link below:

p073.ezboard.com/flostthe...=652.topic

Expounding some on my conception of the LOST problem:

There has to be something in our time -- geophysical or interstellar -- ingniting random bursts of "scrambled time." Perhaps it generates a tangible, physical manifestation -- something planes could pass through, for instance. Or maybe it is wholly random and invisible, displacing time and space with no apparent initiative.

In either case, the possibilities for those stranded on LOST's island -- or continent, for all we've explored of it -- are enormous.

I'm waiting for there to be a discovery -- of another plane crash, perhaps, but in this case the wreckage will be strange and unfamiliar, perhaps stenciled in English but with odd word associations, like "United Federation of Planets" . . . implying that the crashed vessel came from a time several centuries beyond where LOST's protagonists originated.

Or: maybe a loud rustling awakens everyone on the beach in the early morning -- a sound that grows nearer, and sounds ever-more mechanical. When suddenly a British Mark I amphibious "tank" emerges from the jungle, brand new, a vehicle of war not manufactured since 1916.

I would love additional ideas spun of this theory.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here are photo illustrations of the hardware I've mentioned --

1., Spanish galleon, c. 1500's

2., British Mark I (or IV), c. 1916-19

Wes Cohn

Olive branch...to Wes

Point well taken. Though I didn't lock your thread...I may have at a later time. Glad I didn't. Upon review, you have offered a lot. Thanks for your persistence.

And to gscaleta: that is the funniest retort I have seen on the forum. Touche Pinnerman! --------------------------------------- And jekilsih: Yours wasn't so bad yourself@@

cccourt

Re: Olive branch...to Wes

This is an interesting idea, maybe you can come up with a prehistoric creature that is not a dinosaur but has existed in the past with the qualities shown - makes a "oouuuuuu" sound, crashes palm trees, leaves no foot prints, is dexterous enough to pluck a pilot out of the window and throw it on top of trees, yet does not eat it. And is afraid of the sea or fire, or people somehow.

As to locking threads, personally I am glad they are being locked, because it is not just the bandwidth wasted, but the time spent looking into all the new unoriginal threads, specially those that start like "What if they are...". But maybe it is time to create a Purgatory subforum, where all the purgatory threads are thrown in, so it is obvious how unoriginal that idea is already. Another solution could be to edit the thread topics with a "[Purgatory]" prefix so those who are not interested in that theory can just skip reading them.

99Percent

Re: Olive branch...to Wes

This has been one of the highlights of my week.

Boys, you've made me proud. I couldn't have explained it better myself. Humorous, insightful and understanding - a great combination.

Wes - I love the way your mind works. Mine takes similar tangents and hey, with your theory, I can perhaps get my Vikings and Pirates. Although your theory has some odd twists, it's not entirely original here. We've had similar posts but because you have been so persistent and take your "work" as seriously as some of us, I vote to keep this open and let you knock yourself out.

That said I have an overwhelming desire to say "Welcome Back, Max."

JacksGirlfriend

...

What if, mounting the crest of a minor inland valley, one of LOST's protagonists stumbles upon a small but sophisticated encampment. One where felled trees have been lashed into a cabin, and vegetables grow from cultivated soil. And where the remains of a distinctive airplane rust in a corral. An airplane christened "Electra."

Jack might later announce, breathlessly, "I'm going down there. We need to know who flew that plane."

Locke: "We already do. The pilot's name was Amelia Earhart."

That'd be sufficient, I think, for an explosive "BLACK SCREEN" cliff-hanger. But there are so many more possibilities . . .

Wes Cohn

Re: ...

Has everyone noticed that most of the smart, respectful new folk post in the theory thread? Welcome aboard Wes.

Locke: "We already do. The pilot's name was Amelia Earhart."

Oh, ever since someone posted this idea I've been hoping they would deal with Amelia Earhart! I keep hoping that the bodies of the man and the woman found in the cave would be Amelia and Frank.

Wynter Zera

Appreciations

. Compliments very much appreciated, Wynter Zera.

That the cave bodies should turn out to be those two is a fascinating suggestion.

And how about: at some point soon, a group of characters is discovered that arrived at the island *voluntarily*. Yet they are somehow strange -- even their foulest use refined grammar, and all are dressed in stuffy 18th-century garb.

It is a village of H.G. Wells type Enlightenment-era "time sojourners," lead by the young and eccentric Dryden Foss, self-described "naturalist and inventor."

Their group remains only because the time ship is broken -- smashed.

To the characters we're familiar with, the camp these people have put together is near to heaven -- "molded by diligent study of castle warfare," says Dryden. There are bastions and minarets; keeps and lookouts. Even a main gateway, formed of tightly bound vertical reeds, bounded on either side by imposing turrets, where lookouts sit behind handcrank Gatling guns.

Combining their supplies and craftsmanship with the modern, post-industrial "Information age" wisdom of our characters, amazing things are possible.

Imagine...

Wes Cohn

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