Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
The Tempest. Act i. Sc. 2
"There is no such thing as a coincidence."
-HP Sleuth Rule #1
Locke, the mysterious old man, goes into the forest. He meets something there. Upon his return, he is the uber-mystic, something he was not before.
He changed.
What made him change? What made good old Johnny Locke any different? It has to have something to do with what he saw. But what did he see?
And what of Adam and Eve in the cave, how they've been there for forty years? They have two stones, black and white. Locke is a backgammon fan. White and black. The beach, for no apparent reason, is safe from whatever creature is out there; as are the caves.
A previous poster has, on another thread, pointed out that there must be two monsters; one sounds organic, the other mechanic. The organic one could be anything; anything from a polar bear to a koala bear to Gene Simmons. The mechanic one is what interests me.
About ten years ago, in Antarctica, a time hole was found. Here's the article, courtesy of a media website (someone here knows what it is, I don't remember off the top of my head):
"Time Can be Turned Back 03/01/2004 15:37 Time has been one of the most complicated and less studied scientific issues since ancient times Eight years ago, American and British scientists who conducted investigations in Antarctica made a sensational discovery. US physicist Mariann McLein told the researchers noticed some spinning gray fog in the sky over the pole on January 27 which they believed to be just ordinary sandstorm. However, the gray fog did not change the form and did not move in the course of time. The researchers decided to investigate the phenomenon and launched a weather balloon with equipment capable to register the wind speed, the temperature and the air moisture. But the weather balloon soared upwards and immediately disappeared. In a little while, the researchers brought the weather balloon back to the ground with the help of a rope attached to it before. They were extremely surprised to see that a chronometer set in the weather balloon displayed the date of January 27, 1965, the same day 30 years ago. The experiment was repeated several times after the researchers found out the equipment was in good repair. But each time the watch was back it displayed the past time. The phenomenon was called "the time gate" and was reported to the White House. Today investigation of the unusual phenomenon is underway. It is supposed that the whirl crater above the South Pole is a tunnel allowing to penetrate into other times. What is more, programs on launching people to other times have been started. The CIA and the FBI are fighting for gaining control over the project that may change the course of history. It is not clear when the US federal authorities will approve the experiment. Famous Russian scientist Nikolay Kozyrev conducted an experiment to prove that moving from the future to the past was possible. He substantiated his views with the hypotheses on instant information spreading through physical characteristics of time. Nikolay Kozyrev even supposed that "time could execute the work and produce energy." An American physics theorist has arrived at a conclusion that time is what existed before existence of the world. It is known that each of us feels a different course of time under different conditions. Once lightning hit a mountain-climber; later the man told he saw the lightning got into his arm, slowly moved along it, separated the skin from the tissues and carbonized his cells. He felt as if there were quills of thousands hedgehogs under his skin. Russian investigator of anomalous phenomena, philosopher and author of numerous books Gennady Belimov published his article under the headline "Time Machine: First Speed On" in the newspaper On the Verge of Impossible. He described unique experiments conducted by a group of enthusiasts led by Vadim Chernobrov, the man who began creation of time machines, devices with electromagnetic pumping in 1987. Today the group of enthusiasts can slow down or speed up the course of time using special impact of the magnetic field. The biggest slowing down of time made up 1.5 seconds within an hour of the equipment's operation in labs. In August 2001, a new model of the time machine meant for a human was set in a remote forest in Russia's Volgograd Region. When the machine even operated on car batteries and had low capacity, it still managed to change the time by three per cent; the change was registered with symmetrical crystal oscillators. At first, the researchers spent five, ten and twenty minutes in the operating machine; the longest stay lasted for half an hour. Vadim Chernobrov said that the people felt as if they moved to a different world; they felt life here and "there" at the same time as if some space was unfolding. "I cannot define the unusual feelings that we experienced at such moments." Neither TV nor radio companies reported the astonishing fact; Gennady Belimov says the Russian president was not informed of the experiment. However, he tells that already under Stalin there was a Research Institute of the Parallel World. Results of experiments conducted by Academicians Kurchatov and Ioffe can be now found in the archives. In 1952, head of the Soviet secret police organization Lavrenty Beria initiated a case against researchers participating in the experiments, as a result of which 18 professors were executed by shooting and 59 candidates and doctors of physical sciences were sent to camps. The Institute recommenced its activity under Khruschev. But an experimental stand with eight leading researchers disappeared in 1961, and buildings close to the one where experiments were conducted were ruined. After that, the Communist Party political bureau and the Council of Ministers decided to suspend researchers of the Institute for an uncertain period. The program was resumed in 1987 when the Institute already functioned on the territory of the Soviet Union. A tragedy occurred on August 30, 1989: an extremely strong explosion sounded at the Institute's branch office on the Anjou islands. The explosion destroyed not only the experimental module of 780 tons but also the archipelago itself that covered the area of 2 square kilometers. According to one of the versions of the tragedy, the module with three experimenters collided with a large object, probably an asteroid, in the parallel world or heading toward the parallel world. Having lost its propulsion system, the module probably remained in the parallel world. The last record made in the framework of the experiment and kept at the Institute archives says: "We are dying but keep on conducting the experiment. It is very dark here; we see all objects become double, our hands and legs are transparent, we can see veins and bones through the skin. The oxygen supply will be enough for 43 hours, the life support system is seriously damaged. Our best regards to the families and friends!" Then the transmission suddenly stopped."
Now what does this have to do with "Lost"? Let me tell you:
This time warp sends things back exactly forty years. And what comment did Jack make on Adam and Eve's clothes: "It takes about forty years for the fabric to dissolve this much."
What if there is a time warp on the island? And what if the only way to stop the plane from crashing is to go back in time and keep it from ever landing, which then creates a paradox. Ignore the paradox.
What if Jack and Kate go back in time, take this upon themselves, and get caught forty years in the past, overshoot, if you will. "I don't want to be Eve." Too bad, sweet cheeks.
That is, essentially, b a fett's Theory #1138.
But, Adam (Jack) and Eve (Kate) were laid to rest. By whom? I say, by John Locke (the creepy bald man, not the philosopher). It would make sense that Locke would go back with them, if you think about it. Now, let's think further about another odd aspect: Danielle Rousseau and her good friend Brendan. The French (we'll assume this time-traveling deal had something to do with the French) must have a compound on the island to deal with the time-traveling. It would likely have been set up, say, in the Sixties, thus making it abandoned by 1988 (when Rousseau and co. arrived). Jack, Kate, and Locke must have stumbled upon this compound. Whether or not it was abandoned by then, if what I say happens next happens, it's useful: Imagine now that Locke loses the use of his legs again, and they use materials and resources from the French compound to create symbiotic bionics for him, making him, basically, mechanical.
What the organic creature is doesn't matter at this point. What matters is what the mechanic creature is. And that's Locke.
That explains a lot. Perhaps Mecha-Locke, on something of permanent life-support from the bionics, is protecting the camps, which is why the organic creature hasn't done anything to the camps themselves yet. Locke may not be talking about what he saw because he saw himself. Mecha-Locke may have told Locke what is going to happen, so Locke, using the same logic he used with the cocoon and the moth, is doing nothing but helping things along their natural course, knowing that everything is going to be okay.
Wow. That was long. Sorry about that. It probably didn't make any sense either.
ColLocke
"They were extremely surprised to see that a chronometer set in the weather balloon displayed the date of January 27, 1965, the same day 30 years ago."
Just great.
But about your theory: It sounds like a possibility. A very out-there story that Lost would become, but the inner logic is consistent as far as I can tell. It would shape Jack and Kate up to real protagonists and Locke somehow would become an antagonist. And how strange is it for Jack and Kate to be born and live their life as they are rotting away on some island at the same time...
Abraxas
Colonel?? Very interesting. As I read this , it was a bit deja vu. Can't explain it. Don't think I have ever known this...but seems as if I "should" have....not "could" have known it. Thx...very interesting..and only explanation for Locke.
cccourt
Thanks for the explanation of "deja-vu" Triple C!
Abraxas
Well, I'm glad I can at least give you weird deja-vu feelings, ccc
ColLocke
Good sleuthing! I still don't believe the bodies were Jack and Kate's though. I'm not sure about the time travel thing.
Wynter Zera
I dunno if this is what Lost will end up being (prolly not) But in any case, it'd make for a good movie or series.
leftofpunk
Quote:
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JG has one of those, but it doesn't need car batteries--only D Cells.Sleeestack
Sleees - Don't worry your little head about my toys... I can always improvise.
And how on earth do you get in and out so fast? I barely have time to register you on the radar.
Move along - nothing to see here.
(Had to edit - I'm getting as bad as you.)
JacksGirlfriend
The theory is a possibility.
The time hole in Antarctica is dubious in my opinion.
I do not believe Locke is robotic/bionic/androidal.
I posted this theory elsewhere:
Perhaps Locke is dead.
A theory that has popped in my head is that the monster is a manifestation that takes the form of whatever is in the mind of its victims.
Perhaps over time it has become self-aware and is now able to pick and choose what it becomes. So its last victim was Locke and what it saw in Locke's mind was the spiritual Rambo type he always wanted to be and that is what the monster choose to become when it killed/replaced Locke.
Sort of a melding of the Id creature from Forbidden Planet and the Proteus creature from Dean Koontz's story, only the island monster chooses to become good instead of evil.
Oh, and JGF, if you ever need assistance with improvisation, I am always willing to lend a hand.
or at least part of a hand......
ChanceGardener
The government chronometer came back reading 1965, huh? Cool theory, but just because a clock is "in" a different time doesn't mean that it is "set" for a different time.
When daylight savings rolls around, clocks must be deliberately reset. If I take my clock to a different time zone on the planet, it doesn't automatically change since "time" is different. So even if a clock mysteriously floated into a cloudy past dimension, it would come back unchanged unless a person reset it.
I'm not bashing you or your theory. But it had to be said.
kirkthenelson
Re:
here is a link to the story and some comments on it if you are interested.... www.newmediaexplorer.org/...covery.htm
mokomonkey
If governments can figure out how that funnel cloud works, things will be messed. By the sounds of it, it simply reverses the flow of time, but only inside the funnel. Thus, if someone were to step out, they'd re-emerge in our time, but time will have reversed for them.
chaos28
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Claire's baby dream, didn't the airplane above the crib break in three and spin in a grey cloud?
940BOY