Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
The Tempest. Act i. Sc. 2
A good twist would be that it's somebody's experiment. They have people who had a relative or loved one who passed away...and they wanted their loved ones cloned. So some scientist clones all these people on the plane, including the pilot and the plane crashed on the island. Some of the clones did not make it, but the ones that did have strange memories of what they think is their past lives--not realizing that they don't really exist like that anymore.
For instance, the guy in the wheelchair can walk now because the cloning
can't re-create the situation of him being in a wheelchair--he just thought
he couldn't walk and has been immobile by this fear.
The pregnant lady wanted a child before she died. She was able to fulfill
her dream of being pregnant AFTER she got cloned.
The doctor was responsible for the death of a patient which led him to
suicide, He's on the island to be a doctor again....but a respected one.
He learns to do this on the island.
The English rocker dude, overdosed in real life. When he was cloned--he
learns to kick his habit by taking a substitute drug. He is addicted to
the substitute drug.
The fat guy died of Sloth and Gluttony. He now has to ration his food.
He doesn't let food control him...by the end of the series..he will be
replaced by Brad Pitt (OK, I'm just testing ya....not really)
The Arabic guy was killed in the war in the middle east. His family was
rich and wanted to clone him so he can become the famous scientist he
was destined to be.
The Brother and Sister are two Hollywood kids. The spoiled girl was kidnapped
and her brother tried to save her but ended up shot by the kidnappers.
Their parents paid a fortune to clone their only kids who once again "die"
together. They will be closer and more appreciative of each other, and
their parents will be proud.
The fugitive lady is an innocent victim of false identity and was framed
for the murder of her rich husband. She is mortally injured while trying
to escape and her father's last wish was to have his only daughter returned
to him.
The father and son were the first family cloned in the U.S. the mother
was cloned in Australia but due to a chemical imbalance the mother died
shortly after reaching the age she actually died. The clone son and father
were reunited and were returning to the U.S when tragedy struck. They
get a second chance to be a family.They find out later that the mother
was cloned twice and will be together again..
The Japanese couple are the the last descendants of the Royal Family in
Japan. Anxious to have their royal line back , the Japanese cloned them
after they were assassinated. The man learns to respect women and turns
his back on tradition to gain happiness..but not before the woman experiences
love on the island with someone else (can you guess who?) Hint* Young
Hearts, Run Free, never get caught up, caught up like my man and meeeee..."
-Romeo & Juliet 1996(?)
OK, pretty much have explanations for ALL of the characters but I'm tired
now....plus I don't want to ruin ALL of it for you....
REMEMBER my CLONING THEORY.
This is a theory based on secret cloning experiments that happened during
several years and by several countries. All have ties to Australia, France
and the U.S.A.
The clones were ALL placed on a plane that was SABOTAGED to crash on an
ISLAND where every life form is CLONED. They DO NOT KNOW THEY ARE CLONED
and will soon come to realize this eventually by various occurrences on
the island and through their own memory of their cloned life and the LIFE
OF THE ORIGINAL person who was cloned.
You follow?
The experiement happened 16 years ago but they were no survivors. The
last clone, a French doctor was rescued and help to re-create the experiment.
She will mysteriously appear on the island, ala shipwrecked.
One by one they will come to grips with memory, past lives, and future.
This ISLAND test is necessary for them to blend into the REAL WORLD when
they are rescued. They will live a life different from the person they
were cloned from and they live better, more fulfilled lives as clones.
Dang!
I'm good!!
xxandraxx
If they were clones, how would the survivors still have their memories?
awsecond
What Japanese couple?
Jin and Sun are Korean.
azteclady
They have memory. If you are cloned you have your own *new*memory and
some of the memory of the person you were cloned from. *Scientific glitch...kinda
like reincarnation...
That's what the scientists found out-- so now they have to fix that with
the Island experiment.
Remember the cloning took place years ago...the exact age of each clone....they
tried to improve their memory but the noticed a pattern of similarity...the
same negative traits, same interests and they didn't want the same fate.
The Island is there to help them overcome obstacles that may detriment
them.
This is my theory.
They looked Japanese to me....well whatever. The KOREAN then.
You agree about my theory otherwise?
xxandraxx
Sorry, nope.
As far as I could tell, it's not based on science - and the producers/writers
have said the show is based on science.
May I suggest, though, that you read some of the other theories put forth
in this forum? You may find them entertaining and, in many cases, educational.
I know I do!
azteclady
xxandraxx - I find your theory highly imaginative and entertaining. To
me cloning is a "science", so it's within the realm of probability
as an option, but I don't think it's happening here.
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they tried to improve their memory but the noticed a pattern of similarity...the
same negative traits, same interests and they didn't want the same fate.
The Island is there to help them overcome obstacles that may detriment
them. Although I don't agree with your theory for what's happening on
Lost, if I were you, I'd get started on a story or script right away.
JacksGirlfriend
JacksGirl,
I did not mean to imply that cloning is not a scientific reality (what
was the name of that sheep? and then, there's the kitten... I need to
find some links to post here).
However, the whole 'memory of past lives' part of this theory is not based
on scientific evidence. That's what I don't buy.
My apologies if I came across b!itchy!
azteclady
Aztec: I don't think you came across that way at all. We all have different
ideas and perceptions. To me, cloning is a science and any consequence
of actually cloning a human would be "pseudo-science" (definitely
wrong - but pseudo-science just the same). We don't know exactly what
would happen so I think it's entirely possible it could happen to fit
his/her theory. That's what science fiction and fantasy are all about
- a wild offshoot of reality in which literally anything can happen.
I think the majority of the people on this board have thorough, well-thought
out ideas and the guts to place them out there. I don't always agree with
them, but it doesn't mean they're wrong. I'm sure there are some that
think mine are totally off the deep end, but so far no one's actually
come out and said that. Here's hoping they never do - I might cry... (no,
not really, but you see what I mean...)
JacksGirlfriend
JacksGirl,
There, there! *pat in the back* No one would ever dare tell you that your
theories are just... er...
Here are some of the links (and the sheep name was Dolly):
www.ornl.gov/sci/techreso...ning.shtml
science.howstuffworks.com/cloning.htm
(this one has some really easy-to-get diagrams on the mechanics of cloning,
and at the end lists more links, among them this one:
science.howstuffworks.com/human-cloning.htm
This next one is a list of links to articles in the New Scientist, dealing
with cloning issues, from the mechanics to the ethics. One of this articles
touches on the much contested, alleged "first cloned baby":
www.newscientist.com/hottopics/cloning/
I'm still looking for something that specifically addresses the question
of memories 'inherited' by the cloned individual from the 'parent' or
donor. I would still maintain that a cloned organism shares no memories
with its donor - something about the brain shape, but I can't right now
remember the phrasing in English.
xxandraxx,
I hope I haven't made you feel unwelcome here!
azteclady
Maybe in this theory they don't inherit the actual memories so much as
the predisposition to make the same kinds of mistakes based on inherent
characteristics. It would be the old nature vs nurture question. Although
I think environment plays a big role in how we develop, I also think you
can't change some of the basic components of a person's intellect or personality.
These might be part of who we are no matter what our circumstances in
life. There are people who maintain positive outlooks in the worst circumstances.
There are people who become depressed in the best. These are probably
inherent characteristics of who they are.
Perhaps even cloned we are doomed to make the same mistakes in the right
set of circumstances.
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There, there! *pat in the back* No one would ever dare tell you that your
theories are just... er... I'll be the first to admit they are. I admire
anyone who has proof to back up their claims. Me, I talk off the top of
my head, no proof, no backup, no references. Just me - which is probably
why I admire others that do the same. That's what it's all about to me
- imagination.
But I do love the research, the "real" opinions and the amount
of work put into responses. I hope everyone keeps it up so the lazy of
the world (like me) can benefit.
JacksGirlfriend
xxandraxx - you have to be more specific. We don't know who's supposed
to answer or what we're answering for.
Thanks
JacksGirlfriend
Sorry JacksGirlfriend. I lost my connection and I was editing my reply...didn't
work so I will paste here *What did you mean by "are we supposed
to answer here?)
Ok, JacksGirlfriend: GOOD POINTS!, and thanks for giving me a "suspension
of disbelief" for my theory.
I'd like to add:
As far as we know "cloning of humans" has not yet been developed
or researched. Sure they cloned a sheep and other animals but they cannot
convey any memories or proof that they do not share other characteristics
besides DNA etc.
It would be interesting to find out that scientists were secretly doing
this only to learn that their "clones" began to inherit the
characteristics, dreams, memory & other characteristics. What if some
scientists said..."let's change that!" and developed another
program to severely ALTER their memories, character, and change their
lives. What if this "experiment" is a "staged plane crash"
where they learn to overcome these handicaps. (Remember they do not know
they are CLONES of a person that lived before...) .
Now many people believe in re-incarnation..the believe that they were
SOMEONE ELSE in a PAST LIFE. Would it be a twist on that you were THE
SAME PERSON (DNA wise) in a PAST LIFE?
I"m not a scientist, or a scholar. Just a person who has a theory
based on what I've watched on Lost. I don't feel the need to read other
peoples theories and take from them ANY education whatsoever. To do that
would "taint" my theory and it wouldn't be original.
I think we all have to think of the show as fantasy or "science-fiction"
in a way. It is not a real life scenario for many reasons. It is a fictional
story of a bunch of survivors on an island trying to get rescued. I think
I'll start on that script now...thanx JacksGirlfriend (hope i got your
name right....)
Does anyone else think that my theory is so far fetched? Let's assume
everything DOES NOT go by the book and think OUTSIDE the box!
xxandraxx
Woah there...I love your theory! I bet everyone expected me to say that.
It checks out in most places. It really could be true. Quite cool. It
would explain a lot. Let me name it:
- you said it yourself...Locke can walk again...that's an explanation
why
- it explains why Rose might be delusional about her husband. Her memory
kind of mixes up short und long term - due to some cloning error - and
she really thinks she has a husband, although he wasn't cloned (for whatever
reason or maybe she got false memories injected)
- Charlie's band might be super-popular, but except Kate noone on the
island ever heard of them, because they simply don't have that memory
- it explains the mixture of the characters in general...there's every
stereotype and lots of mysterious backgrounds
Sawyer could be explained when we know more about him.
What about the French woman? Why was she on the island over a decade ago?
What is the monster? Is that connected or something else entirely?
Anyway, nice work.
Abraxas
Waiting to the Weird Al song "I think I'm a Clone now" to be
in the credits.
MacLeod
Not to be a bore, but I really think the memory thing is a big hurdle.
But I do definitely agree with the underlying assumption that no one really
survived the crash. That's why I favor some kind of resurrection scenario.
awsecond
Can you please give us some detail on your resurrection theory?
I'd love to hear it.
Thanks!
xxandraxx
here's the link:
Resurrected
I believe this has also been discussed in other, longer threads...
azteclady
Sorry for not pointing you there myself, xxandraxx--I didn't see your
reply.
Truthfully, though, I'm starting to think you might be right about the
cloning. It makes a lot of sense, and is more readily rooted in pseudo-science
than my resurrection theory. Also, the memory hurdle is hardly insurmountable.
Many works of sci fi (most recently Star Trek, the gold standard for pseudo
science) have played fast and loose with memory where clones are concerned.
Of course, whatever cloned them would, in addition to imprinting memories,
have to recreate all birthmarks, scars, etc.. If you're right, I suspect
survivors will soon begin to discover minor discrepancies along these
lines (e.g., they'll be missing a scar). Perhaps Locke's recovery from
paralysis was a particularly glaring example of this phenomenon.
awsecond
Although I'm new here, I've been reading these posts with interest, especially
this clone theory. It sounds plausible, but doesn't explain the oddness
of the island (e.g., a polar bear in a tropical setting).
It could be that the island is located in an area of extreme magnetic
fluctuations so that the weather patterns are all mixed up. As such, at
times it might be freezing and at other times it might be very hot - a
polar bear (cold) and a boar (warm).
The clone theory also doesn't explain why the plane crashed. If these
people are clones who need to adapt before re-entering society, wouldn't
they simply have put them to sleep on the plane and landed it safely?
Very interesting.
DriftWood
I think the Clone Theory is an interesting idea and you really spent a
lot of time thinking about it and went into great detail about it! KUDOS!
I don't think it is plausible for the situation on the island, though.
If the people had their loved ones cloned to bring back dead family members,
etc., then they wouldn't have certain physical characteristics that are
not part of a person's DNA (Jack has at least one tattoo, Shannon has
pierced ears, etc.)
Unless you are suggesting that they were cloned as infants, their growth
and development was accelerated to be completed quickly, and the clones
made those physical adjustments (tattoos etc.) later.
I still think it's too far of a stretch. But an interesting idea nonetheless!
angry may queen
Even clones have to eat. So how come they ran around trying to kill a
boar when there was a dead polar bear ready to be deep fried?
DriftWood
Possible explanation for the Polar Bear & Boar
I mentioned that I thought perhaps the Polar Bear and the Boar are part
of the experiment. Those are some of the animals that were cloned as well.
The animals being placed there as a test, or perhaps it is a "staged"
threat for the survivors.
Imprinted Memories
Perhaps the memories from the donors are fused with the clones memories.
They wouldn't necessarily be able to distinct which memories are their
own and which ones are the donor memories. (keeping in mind they are unaware
of the experiment...)
The Plane Crash
The plane could have been set up to take them to the Island and then a
simulated crash occurred. It's easy to stage events if you have the resources.
As for the dead, maybe they were not the "real dead" from the
plane. There's even the possibility that one or more of the survivors
are involved with the experiment.
Cloning In General
This is where suspension of disbelief begins and the "pseudo-science"
fiction aspect is stretched for the imagination. My feelings are that
the secret cloning has been going on for years and the clones were being
observed by scientists worldwide. The island is merely the last phase
for the clones before the go back to the lives they know...that is if
they survive the island. The purpose for the Island is to make them understand
the meaning of their life, to give them new memories and to clear up the
confusion of memories that they ALL seem to experiment. Maybe the original
concept was to clone a person and place them in the EXACT environment,
trying to duplicate the the donors past life to an exact science and and
there were some unseen complications. For example: the clone DOES in fact
share inherited capabilities and personal qualities once placed in the
EXACT environment the donor lived, BUT--they began to to exhibit the very
negative qualities that lead them to the unfortunate fate of the donor
resulting in their untimely death.
The scientist are trying to create the ideal human with all the benefits
of the donors lives, but without the the foibles. They will eventually
be returned to their normal lives...their family, professions, but only
if they they survive the Island. Everyone will be an improved version
of themselves--provided they do not succumb to their darkest fears from
the past and the fears of their predicament.
Something to think about....
Just something to ponder...
xxandraxx
Actually, driftwood, in a way it kind of does. It implies the survivors
were cloned for a purpose--otherwise, why go to the trouble? It also implies
the plane was crashed for a purpose--perhaps some sort of experiment?
As for why they wouldn't just put everyone to sleep, instead of crashing
the plane, who's to say they didn't? After all, if they have the power
to transfer memories from someone dead to a clone, they presumably have
the power to implant new memories (i.e., of a plane crash as well). Remember,
we never actually saw the plane crash.
Even if it didn't, however, whoever's running the experiment (if that's
what it is) would not want the "survivors" to know they were
experimental subjects. Hence the need for some plausible scenario like
a crash to explain why they're on the island at all.
PS: I totally agree with xxandraxx that the crash could easily be faked.
All the moreso since we never actually saw any "survivors" emerge
from the wreckage.
awsecond
Good point. I haven't seen them eat any protein.
Hehehe...
Do you think they are vegans?
Angry May Queen wrote:
Unless you are suggesting that they were cloned as infants, their growth
and development was accelerated to be completed quickly, and the clones
made those physical adjustments (tattoos etc.) ... No, I was suggesting
they were cloned after the death of the donor. I am also asking you to
believe that this has been done with the approval of their loved ones--and
that the memory fusion and the subliminal suggestions they were exposed
to while growing up let them to the very characteristics, physical strengths
and weakness, personality traits etc that the donor lived. So if Jack
had a tattoo, it is because he felt the same compelling desire to do that...thinking
it was his own, he followed the same career, liked the same foods, and
some past memories that he doesn't quite understand are his own--but nonetheless
has to deal with. Problem with the cloning is that the clones are nearing
the turning point in life that leads to disaster. They are all manipulated
to go to a designated place (an airport....) and all board a flight that
results in the "plane crash".
xxandraxx
Ah! I see what you mean. Thanks for the further explanation!
angry may queen
But, the hairbrush comment last night struck me as ODD.
How come there are no hairbrushes on this island?
Hair is the first place you go to get a genetic sampling of someone. Hairbrushes
are always the first place police go to collect genetic evidence.
Coincidence?
Perhaps they are not clones but are going to be cloned? Perhaps the hairbrushes
were removed from their luggage?
Just a thought. I'm not a big supporter of this theory (yet).
I'm trying to put everything together--
40 days = 1 season and the Noah's ark parallel...
48 people are required to create a healthy genetic sampling with enough
genetic diversity... etc...
Perhaps I will return to this topic with more ideas... I don't know what
to make of this idea quite yet.
Cheers!
purrkins
Great point purrkins! I was wondering about that comment last night--too
obvious to be a mere throwaway.
To run with what you've said, if they've been cloned using samples from
the hair brushes, perhaps this explains the cryptic comment about Hurley's
real age. Maybe the same applies to them all!
awsecond
Thanks.
But I do want to add that I do not think they are clones (yet). I think
it is possible that the hairbrushes were removed from their luggage to
take the raw material to make clones in the future.
There is a wide and varied demograph of individuals on this island...
This theory does make sense...
Was the plane then brought down so there would not be "doubles"
walking the earth?
I'm not too keen on the Clone idea yet as a whole but I am willing to
keep an open mind.
There are too many other "variables" to commit to this theory
-- what is the Creature (and now I am beginning to think it appears differently
to each person, as their skeletons in the closet -- "white rabbit"
if you will -- for Locke it was "Helen" for Jack his "father"
and it only appears invisible when there are multiple people around as
it shifts between each person's "white rabbit" and therefore
appears formless or invisible. I also think it is benevolent(?) and lead
Locke to the boar while he was following "Helen," Jack to the
water while following his "father.") But I suppose I should
discuss this elsewhere...
Something is indeed afoot however -- And the Noah Ark parallel should
not be overlooked nor the 48 survivors (actually, aren't we down to 46
now? Should we expect someone new to arrive shortly?) needed to create
healthy balanced genetic diversity.
I will indeed keep my eye on this topic.
Now I need to go find my Hobbes and the Leviathan topic and see if I can
make any sense out of my previous stabs at deciphering this show.
Good thread folks!
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Oh!
And what was the cyptic comment about Hurley's age?
I missed this I think...
A friend called during Lost, err, an ex-friend now. They know not to call
during Lost... ;-)
purrkins
Purrkins: You may be right, but I think it makes more sense that they
were already cloned because that would explain Locke's miraculous recovery.
The Hurley reference was to an interview with one of the writers:
"AICN: How old is Hurley?
DL: Hmmmm. Fascinating that you'd ask this. I would say he TELLS people
he's 26."
People initially interpreted that to be a reference to some secret of
Hurley's--and they may still be right. In light of this cloning talk,
however, I'm not so sure.
awsecond
True. This could explain Locke's "condition"
But then why remove the hairbrushes prior to the flight if they had already
been cloned. This would serve no purpose I can think of...
Unless we bring in suspended animation -- and everyone was put on a flight,
the flight was diverted and everyone gassed and put to sleep, cloned,
kept is suspended animation until the clones reached the proper age and
then put back on the flight which then crashed...
This seems, well, odd. Actually the whole show is a bit odd...
I think the key to this is something much simpler. I do not know it but
I think it is simple once explained.
And this is why I keep watching...
Cheers!
purrkins
I just can't buy this...
If all these families went through the effort to clone former loved ones,
why would they strand them on an island?
Are they coming to get them back? What about the radio transmission? In it the french lady refers to something killing them all. Would you leave a cloned love one on an island where there was already some tragedy?
I'm more of the impression of a time/space warp or bermuda triangle thing.
mixx31
Great insight on the cloning...
I'll still stick my my original theory about them being already individually
cloned throughout the years.
Pure and simple this Island is an experiment for everyone. The Clones,
the Scientists...etc. The clones do not know they are cloned remember?
The hairbrush thing is most likely a red herring OR just insignificant.
I'd bet they can't find a razor later on...but the spoiled girl found
her nail polish didn't she?
I'm sticking with my speculation that those survivors were placed there
so they can come to terms with whatever demons are haunting them from
their previous genetic incarnations. I think this is a study on the hazards
of cloning. We are experiencing and experimenting with the unknown (cloning
and it's effects...) and they must come to terms with their past memory.
Why, so that the CLONES become better humans than the original. A family
would want to do this if they wanted their loved ones to live again with
an improved life. Maybe they will make a significant change in the world....maybe
they just want the person back or to continue lineage. Why did scientists
clone animals in the first place?
I was reading an article on twins a while back. It was studied that twins
have some sort of psychic and mental & physical connection to each
other. Twins share the same DNA as would a person who is cloned. It is
often said one can "feel" or experience what the other is feeling.
Yes, I think they will be rescued at the right time, but not without consequences.
If you think of the cloning and the reason behind it-- I think I have
theorized the events to fit the cloning.
The other theories I've liked so far is the "resurrection" and
" hotel California" . We won't know the outcome for a while--in
the meantime, these theories are fantastic. Great imagination and thought
put into every aspect of trying to solve the mystery of "Lost".
Good Work!
xxandraxx
Perhaps a red herring.
But this show is written so subtly that I think not (hey, my opinion,
more often than not I am wrong).
Why talk about something so mundane that the average person would think
nothing of it.
It struck me as odd but I thought nothing of it myself until I read your
theory. If anything it actually lends credibility to your theory -- I'm
just confused about the timing of it (are they clones or will they become
clones).
Rest assured, I will be watching this thread and the show very closely
for more evidence.
Cheers!
purrkins
Cloning is at the forefront of SCIENCE these days. I think the theory
is quite imaginative and sounds like he's thought it through - very interesting!
I think it's just as plausible as any other theory - reicarnation, purgatory,
chemical weapons, why the heck not cloning?
KimmysHooked