You are three men of sin, whom Destiny,
That hath to instrument this lower world
And what is in't, the never-surfeited sea
Hath caused to belch up you; and on this island
Where man doth not inhabit; you 'mongst men
Being most unfit to live. I have made you mad;
And even with such-like valour men hang and drown
Their proper selves.
The Tempest. Act iii. Sc. 3
When Locke questioned Danielle about the scratches, she was unwilling
to discuss them. She is also unwilling to explain how it is that she knew
the others were coming.
My theory is that she already had a run-in with the others, and escaped.
But, not entirely unscathed. The scratch has infected her, which is why
she doesn't want to tell the survivors. What are the symptoms of infection?
Insanity? Will she become more and more unhinged, and turn on the survivors
in the next episode?
Also, I don't think Ethan was an "other", at least not right
away. I think Ethan was a) a stowaway, b) with the tail section, or c)
found himself on the island any other way. He didn't seem dangerous at
first, because he wasn't (at least in the sense that he was a completely
normal human). Then he too met the others (the scratch on his cheek),
and became infected as well. Perhaps he acted out of insanity caused by
the infection, or was "turned" by the disease and was doing
the bidding of the others when he kidnapped Claire.
My take, is that because Danielle is aware of her infection, she came
to the beach to save the survivors. She'll protect Claire's baby because
she couldn't protect her own, and then she will kill herself, knowing
that she poses a risk to the rest of the group. If anyone actually does
seek refuge in the hatch, Danielle won't be willing to go with them.
A1sauce
I'm thinking Locke knew it was Danielle that had accosted Claire during
her sleep that night.....
Ethan had the same scratches on his face, we've seen others with the same
scracthes as well ( Not THE others, just others, like Jack and Kate...
)
but still a Mechanical beast ? this thing had better fly or be on stilts
with rubber padded feet.
Big metal things make BIG TRACKS !!
I don't think Danielle is infected, I don't think there is an infection
at all.
Just her way of saying they were sick" crazy, obsessed....
like Locke...
yung23
I think you're right about why she came to the survivors. She wants to
save them and she knows she's infected. The scratches were exact to those
on Ethan's face. We thought Claire scratched him but maybe not. Tonight's
ep. was awesome! I'll be glad to know the origin of Ethan and his reasons
for seemingly becoming "one of them".
And by the way, WELCOME!!!!
wizardspin
All three versions of Danielle's story, and her radio message for that matter, have differed significantly from each other.
The radio message says simply, "If anybody hears me, please, come
to our rescue... It (or-He-) killed them. It (or -He-) killed them ALL..."
She then tells Sayid her shup lost its instruments and they got lost and
ran aground during a storm. The message comes from the radio at the Black
Rock, which the others now control. She says her group became infected
after a visit to the Black Rock so she had to shoot them all. She also
claims she has never seen the others, only hears them whispering.
Hurley gets a different story entirely. She claims her ship picked up
the transmission of the numbers and they deliberately steered towards
the source to investigate. She makes it sound like her group died from
the sickness and then she changed the transmission.
Tonight she made it sound as if the Others attacked and took her baby.
suddenly we have mention of pillars of smoke.
That woman's story is wildly inconsistent. Seesh, she lies more than Kate
does.
Homer Noodleman
Sorry, A1. I welcomed you to the boards thinking you were a poster I just
read whom is brand new. Nevermind
I wonder, though, if Danielle is a lure. The others have offered to spare
her life if she gives them the survivors. There's probably been 10 posts
in response since I posted, so I apologize. I'm still emotional from seeing
Vincent go after Walt. I'm a little scatterbrained.
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Yung you have a good point. I hadn't thought of that but you're right.
Danielle IS the one with the syringes. She's lost her mind since losing
her baby. And she HAS told at least three different stories, as mentioned
above. And when she saw Turnup Head she kind of got drifted away. HHHMMMM.
How does Ethan fit in with Danielle???
wizardspin
Does anyone think it is odd that Danielle doesn't have a French accent?
It sounds more German, but definately not French. She does not sound like
the woman on the transmitter. And, Sayid assumed her name was Rousseau
because of the backpack, and she agreed. Well, maybe she was lying to
someone she thought was a spy. Perhaps she is assuming the identity of
the French woman. Maybe the French woman was actually the dead woman in
the cave. If you lived on an island all by yourself, you would scrounge
anything you could and a backpack would be a good thing to get.
I think she doesn't want the new people to meet the "others"
cos the others are after her 'cos shes dangerous.
I think she is the one after Claires baby, and Ethan was trying to get
it to protect it at all cost.
Just some speculation, don't be mean....
carollost
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All three versions of Danielle's story, and her radio message for that
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Yeah, this is true, but a lot of the characters on Lost either greatly
expand on stories they've already told, or change them completely. While
this does seem like evidence that Danielle is a nut, it could be nothing.
Also, I don't disagree that Danielle was pretty crazy before the scratches
appeared, but I don't think she's quite crazy enough to have killed her
entire crew for no reason. She probably wasn't insane when she first arrived
on the island, right? What would cause her to loose her mind? I think
most of her eccentricities can be blamed on getting stranded on the island,
being forced to kill her only companions, and having her baby stolen from
her.
Time will tell though. At this point, it could definitely go either way.
A1sauce
Great posts. One oddity I've been wondering lately concerns Danielle's
transmission. She told Hurley that after her team was all gone, she then
went up and changed the transmission from the numbers to her own mayday.
Yet the transmission in full seemingly conveys Danielle as her team was
falling apart, or at least it seems that Danielle is expecting someone
on the island to hear the signal. Maybe I'm not understanding it.
Here's my source for the 'full transmission':
p073.ezboard.com/flostthe...1567.topic
I believe there's definitely a sickness. She mentioned that one of her
companions lost their arm. Perhaps they tried to amputate it. Madness
and/or physical deterioration as the effects of it?
I too thought of Ethan's scratches after tonite's ep. There's been speculation
of a 'benevolent Ethan' for awhile now, and it seems this poster raised
an interesting notion of an Ethan that was good then turned bad (infected)
at some point during his jungle outing with Claire. I still maintain that
Ethan was bad for as long as we knew him (oh Ethan, we hardly knew ye!).
And I would say that the benevolent Ethan idea (that is, he wanted to
protect Claire and her kid originally) doesn't fit with the 'Ethan as
stowaway/tailend survivor' notion. He would've had to have gained a good
deal of knowledge concerning the island and the forces living on it-most
of all, knowledge of their intentions with pregnant women- and it just
doesn't seem plausible to me that he could have gotten that information
without having spoken with Frenchie, or without suffering alongside her
during her original encounters with The Others.
But the biggest argument against benevolent Ethan is just his atrocious,
anti-social behavior! LoL He kidnapped a pregnant girl, beat up Doc Jack,
and temporarily killed Charlie. Actually I'm wrong here... the biggest
argument against the above is Charlie's haunting words when he returned
to camp:
"They only wanted Claire"
Zim
Knowing these writers the scratches are another mysterious thing on the
island that we haven't heard anything about. I don't see her being sick.
If her team was acting the way she is acting that does not mean you kill
your whole team. Remember she said she killed them.
Gambit980
New Poster here so be patient please.
A few things bother me about last nights episode.....
1. Danielle says run, hide or die. This would indicate that she has seen
'the others' kill someone. But I am unaware of who that would be with
the facts we have from the show.
2. How did Danielle know that there were 40 something survivors. She mentions
that "she is one and can disappear easily but 40 would be hard...
where will you hide them." (Did Sayid tell her that when she captured
him?)
3. The black smoke, for the entire episode, did not appear to get any
closer to me or move significantly from the point we started to see it.
Penny4urthoughts
Gambit: Regarding Danielle's behavior not warranting a slaughter as she
slaughtered her crew who apparently had the same disease; I don't think
Danielle is really showing any signs of infection yet. Who knows how it
works- maybe it just gets progressively worse, and Danielle is about to
come down with one nasty flu.
Zim: I don't think Ethan was attempting to help Claire in any way when
he kidnapped her. By that point, I'm assuming he'd already "contracted"
the sickness. I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure that the scratch on
his cheek didn't show up until after he had already kidnapped Claire,
which means it couldn't have been when he got sick if he was in fact infected.
I still think that Ethan was not one of the Others from the beginning.
He found himself on the island one way or another, and came into contact
with the others, at which point he became infected. Maybe he was with
the survivors for a while before the sickness began to have an effect
on him. The symptoms being becoming psychotic/rabid and/or becoming one
of them.
A1sauce
Ethan couldnt have been in the tail section, Hurley compiled a list of
people from the planes manifest, and specifically said that Ethans name
was not on it!!!! As for the sickness, maybe it is just the island taking
control of these people
raiderfan43
That's true Raider. I realized myself that it didn't make any sense but
I forgot to change it. What I meant was, maybe he was a stowaway and was
always with the fuselage, or he was a stowaway from the tail section and
wandered into their camp.
A1sauce
i think that the scratches are an indication of the sickness and it is
how the others infect people. first they infected locke, and they are
now using locke to get to the lostaways. the others also infected ethan
and used him to try and get claires baby, they were controlling him through
the sickness somehow. now the others have infected rousseau, and i think
the others will use rousseau to get the lostaways in the position they
want, whatever that may be.
SweetAsSugar2718
I misunderstood. I thought you were saying Ethan started off with the
intent to help Claire.
If we are correct in assuming that scratches indicate the transmission
of the virus then I have to agree with you- he wasn't always an 'other'.
However I don't remember seeing scratches on his face when he took her,
only when he came back for her. Remember when they gathered the search
party and started tracking the path split at one point. Maybe he was infected
en route to wherever. Pardon me if I misunderstood and am simply restating
what was already said. lol
Zim
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I thought you were saying Ethan started off with the intent to help Claire.
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No, I think Ethan started off just a normal guy, and the infection occured
or began to worsen after we had already met his character. I don't think
he had any noble intentions at all when he took Claire.
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However I don't remember seeing scratches on his face when he took her,
only when he came back for her
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Yeah, I know. Ethan's scratches don't aid my theory, so I'm only attributing
significance to Danielle's scratches. I've always assumed Claire scratched
Ethan during her escape anyway.
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scratches indicate the transmission of the virus
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This is interesting, because the virus must only be transmitted through
open contact with the others. Maybe they are even capable of infecting
at will. If it were possible for one of them to sneeze on a bush and spread
the 'germs', wouldn't it be rampant on the island? Wouldn't the survivors
be in danger of contracting it simply by eating the wildlife? It can't
be too contagious, because Danielle has been living on the island and
consuming it's food sources for 16 years without becoming infected (presumably),
up until a direct confrontation with the Others. At this point, I can't
think of any other reason why Danielle would pull a shifty-eyed look and
make up an excuse for a couple of scratches. They obviously have to be
considerably significant for this scene to be included, and what other
explanation is there?
A1sauce
i doubt sneezing transmits the virus, it probably must be transmitted
by scratching the person, therefore putting the virus directly into their
blood. (sorry, i think that is what you were saying, isnt it?)
and youre right, her excuse about getting scraped in a bush obviously
shows that she is hiding something..possibly a confrontation with the
monster or the others
so is danielle an other now?
SweetAsSugar2718
OK me I'm at a cross roads.
Was Danielle trying to take the baby with Ethan? Did Danielle
save Claire from Ethan or are the scratches from sometime different?
I guess I want Danielle to be good so I hope she's already rescued the
baby by getting Claire away from Ethan. Who are the others and was Ethan
their minion.
Dontkillbill
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i doubt sneezing transmits the virus, it probably must be transmitted
by scratching the person, therefore putting the virus directly into their
blood. (sorry, i think that is what you were saying, isnt it?)
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I wasn't serious about the sneeze, I was just using that as
an example of common ways other diseases are transmitted. And yeah, that
is what I was saying. The virus has to make it into your bloodstream blah
blah 28 days later blah blah.
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Was Danielle trying to take the baby with Ethan
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This is possible, but I doubt it. You've probably heard about
the deleted scene in which Claire recalls meeting the French woman prior
to her showing up with the gun, and then says something along the lines
of "It was you that saved me from Ethan.", and Danielle denies
it. So I'm guessing the French woman did save her, although she could
be denying it because Claire remembered it wrong and she was trying to
steal the baby.
A1sauce
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